5.
The Discourse on Upavāṇa
175.
Then the Venerable Upavāṇa approached the Venerable Sāriputta;
having approached, he exchanged friendly greetings with the Venerable Sāriputta.
Having concluded the pleasant and memorable talk, he sat down to one side.
Seated to one side, the Venerable Upavāṇa said this to the Venerable Sāriputta -
"Friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker [of the round of suffering] by means of true knowledge?"
"No indeed, friend."
"But, friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker by means of conduct?"
"No indeed, friend."
"But, friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker by means of true knowledge and conduct?"
"No indeed, friend."
"But, friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker apart from true knowledge and conduct?"
"No indeed, friend."
"'When you are asked: ‘Friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker by means of true knowledge?’' you say 'No indeed, friend.' 'When you are asked: ‘But, friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker by means of conduct?' you say 'No indeed, friend.' ‘When you are asked: ‘But, friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker by means of true knowledge and conduct?' you say 'No indeed, friend.' ‘When you are asked: ‘But, friend Sāriputta, does one become an end-maker apart from true knowledge and conduct?’ you say 'No indeed, friend.' Then in what way, friend, does one become an end-maker?”
"If, friend, one could become an end-maker by means of true knowledge, even one who still has clinging would become an end-maker. If, friend, one could become an end-maker by means of conduct, even one who still has clinging would become an end-maker. If, friend, one could become an end-maker by means of true knowledge and conduct, even one who still has clinging would become an end-maker. If, friend, one could become an end-maker apart from true knowledge and conduct, then a worldling would be an end-maker; for a worldling, friend, is without true knowledge and conduct. One who has failed in conduct, friend, does not know and see things as they really are. One accomplished in conduct knows and sees things as they really are. Knowing and seeing things as they really are, one becomes an end-maker." The fifth.